But true renunciation (Sa=ny|sa), O Arjuna, is difficult to attain without Karma-yoga. A sage equipped with Karma-yoga quickly attains Brahma. (See also 4.31, and 4.38) (5.06)
So, what is easy and what is not
Which one to follow and which one to not
They all lead to the same place, the same abode
How do you get to bring awareness in all your karma?(actions)
And How do you stay unattached
Krishna says that it is difficult
To know non attachment without
Getting into the midst of actions (karma yoga)
By living in the stream of karma
By being involved in the daily routines
I and you can get to know the reality of staying non attached
And staying focused in our endeavor of knowing the ultimate
The ultimate is achieved. //BG 5:6//
Krishna is back to where he started in verse 5:2, where he mentioned that karma yoga is superior because it is easier to follow. He has since talked about four types:
Krishna brings in another concept of "non-doer ship" here. All the actions just happen out of you. The wind blows. River flows. Sun rises. Moon waxes and wanes. You live and you die. Actions happen out of you. You stay non attached. You are not the doer. And this being a non-doer is easier to practice if you are doing something. we shall explore this further here by a comparative analysis
Karma Yoga: The first one above is a given. You work and you are attached. You know that you are attached. You can start watching yourself. And now you are sometimes attached and sometimes not. Sooner or later you can get to a point where you are not the doer. You stay non attached.
Karma Sanyas: Now, let us examine life of the third kind above. A renounced person also has attachments in the beginning. A person who renounces the world has to fight with two kind of attachments.
Krishna points out that a life of renunciation is not an easy life. It is harder to stay unattached given the fact that they have to deal with two kind of attachments. Moreover, they also have to deal with expectations and subtle ego that comes with their so called higher positions in the society.
Gyan Yoga: This is the forth one above and is suitable for only a small section of the population. It is the domain of the elite intellectual. They definitely know a lot, read a lot and are master logicians. Knowingly or unknowingly the become attached to their own knowledge bank. This knowledge becomes their hindrance. Knowing the Upanishads, knowing the Brahmasutras and knowing the Vedas becomes their barriers to progress. The barriers are so subtle. How can you drop all this knowledge that has taken so much work to gather.
The bigger question is, "why do ywe need to become non attached?" Why do we need to become a "non doer?" we have addressed it before and shall continue to address in our future blogs.
Friday, 23 November 2012 11:31 Written by Krishna Bhatta e
There are some who believe that knowing is enough
Here Krishna goes one step further in order to make his point that there is no difference is different styles of living from a certain vantage point. Let us recap certain points already made in prior verses:
It should also be understood that there are no strict boundaries between them. One day I may live like a karma yogi while the other day I may be completely working for my desires or the desire of my family. I may not be able to seperate myself from what is going on around me. In my mind it is all a journey and hopefully one day we shall reach there.
Krishna is talking from the view point of some one who is already there. He brings in the fourth type of person in the equation4.
4. Gyan yoga - life of knowing. This person believes that knowing is all you need. No effort is needed. No prayer, no worshipping, no meditation...there is no need for any of these to achieve the ultimate. The logic is flawless. When you know it; you know that there is nothing to know. When you reach there; you realized there is nowhere to go. You just knew what you have always had and you just reached where you have always been Having said that, my Guru Osho believes that "no body has ever reached there without an effort."
Buddha leaves his kingdom, does everything anyone tells him to do for several years, and then one day he gets there when he stops doing anything and everythin.
Krishna again makes the point that there is no difference between all these paths as far as where you get to is concerned. They all get to the same end. The inside never changes. You just discover the inside. The inside has always been the same. It will be the same whether you are a karma yogi, karma sanyasi, sakam karmi or a gyan yogi. One day you will know yourself and then you will realize that the paths you took were immaterial.
We may try to understand this way. I lived in India, let India to go to UK and then on to USA. I lived in Saudi Arabia for 2 years in the interim. I may go back to India or may end up in another country. Each country had and has its own opportunities and its own obstacles. It is not about me alone. It is the story of most of us. Even if you have not moved countries you most likely have moved to different villages and/or to different cities and towns. yet, I am the same person and you are just you. You and I do not change on the inside even if we change our locations. Much changes on the outside. We may wear different clothes depending on the custom or simply the weather. We may speak different languages. We may read different books. But, nothing really changes on the inside.
Nothing changes in where we reach once we reach there. We find out that we have always been there. That is what krishna is explaining to Arjun about. Krishna is talking from where Krishna is and where Arjun and us may reach one day. Soon, Krishna will come to where Arjun is and tell him how Arjun can get there.
Sunday, 18 November 2012 20:15 Written by Krishna Bhatta e
Those paths, karmasanyas and karmayoga
1. Karma Sanyas: Path of renunciation
And, now two verses later in 5:4, he says that there is actually no difference between these two paths. What is Krishna trying to say here?
First in 5:2 he talks about the paths...and there are two main paths. Here in this verse he talks about the end of the path. Both paths lead to the same end. The path is not like a rail road track. It is more like a pyramid or peak of a mountain.
Another point to understand is that non-attachment is part of existence. Krishna emphasizes non attachment because it is existential. It is true nature of existence. We are all interdependent; yet we are all independent and we are all non attached. Interdependec brings us together and creates relationships, duties and responsibilities. Interdepndence keeps non attached.
Whether we follow the path of karma yoga or the path of karma sanyas, we are all inter-dependent and inter-related yet we are all independent and we are all non attached. Knowing this, practicing this, understanding this, living this .....we reach the same end.
We also need to understand that the keyword in either types is "non attachment." No one becomes 'non attached' just by renouncing this world. At the same time any one can become "non attached" even in the middle of the world. Krishna is trying to explain this point here. The end game is to comprehend and know this reality of "non attachment." Once this is known thern there is no distinction between the two; you are neither attached to the world nor you are attached to God. A person on either path knows the same reality; both are just non attached and completely free.
Bal Thackeray: Ek Tha Tiger
He was the real tiger
I salute Him
Controversy or no controversy, He is a legend. His thought process, his courage and his spirit lives on. Much has been said about him and more will be said in times to come. Mumbai showed by their numbers what he meant to them.
I salute him
Party: Shiv Sena
Wednesday, 14 November 2012 11:52 Written by Krishna Bhatta e
Can non-attachment be used as an excuse?
"Our Ego/Desire complex is so subtle that,it may penetrate either of the situations and keep us ATTACHED. PRAGNA state keeps us free and is a counteractive force to recon with"
And Dr. Chosh is right when he says that. Whatever that "pragna state" is, it does keep us free
However, non attachment can be used as an exuse as well. This happens more often in certain circles than we can comprehend. I do not want to be judgemental, yet the point needs to be made.
Buddha left his wife Yasodhara and son Rahul when he left his Kingdom in persuit of his own interest. Is it selfish of Buddha to do that? Answer depends on who you ask the question to? Yet, this was truely a persuit. Buddha did not use his interest as an excuse. He really had the interest and he did persue his goal. Many of us working parnets are not able to give much time to our children or spouse while persuing our academic or business interest. This is not so dissimilar to what Buddha did; yet it is different in the direction he took.
However, it is true that our minds can play trics. It is easy to hide in the shadows of "non attachment" and not fulfill our obligations and responsibilities. Krishna does not want that to happen. He would not even do what Buddha did. He is a strong proponebt of a "Karma yogi" who lives in the real world and grows. Yet, Krishna respects Karma sanyasins who renonce the world and grow (i.e Buddha above), but is totally opposed to either of them using their stand as an excuse.
Wednesday, 14 November 2012 01:58 Written by Krishna Bhatta e
Bhagavad-Gita shlokas: Verse a Day - 5.3
Hey Arjun, those yogis
Classification of people:
Now, let us try to understand a non attached person from the verse above. Krishna talks about going "beyond duality." He is not talking about right and wrong or good and bad. Most of us live in the duality of right and wrong or good and bad. We are always choosing one against the other. So, what is Krishna talking about? What is choicelessness?
Let us take a simple example first. When a friend asks my name, I say "Krishna;" when a patient asks my name, I say "Dr. Bhatta;" and when a government officer asks my name, I say "Krishna Mohan Bhatta." It just happens. I am not deliberating or choosing what to say. Norms are established and there is just one answer. Krishna calls it "ek-buddhi or one mindedness." It often happens when surgeons perform surgery. They are not trying to choose what to cut or how deep to cut; they just know it; and for patient's sake, they better know it.
A Buddha may give different answer to same question to two different people. His close desciples always were curious about these variations. Buddha always answered considering the level of the questioner and his reasoning behind asking those questions. He paid attention to the person and not just the questions. The answers just came out. He did not worry about those answers being right or wrong. They were just the correct answers in that situation to that person.
Bhagavad-Gita shlokas: Verse a Day
1. Sakam Karma (Actions with attachment)
Attachment is man made. It does not not exist in reality. Desire is the driving force for all such actions.
Success comes with training, planning and hard work.
Side effects: Tension, anxiety, happiness, Sadness, Stress etc.
2. Nishkam Karma or Karma Yoga (Non attached actions)
Non attachment is the default wheteher we like it or not. We have to realize it one day or the other.
Success again depends on training, planning and hard work. On the outside there is no difference between 1 and 2. Everything being equal, a non attached person will alway be ahead of an attached person because:
3. Karma Sanyas (Renunciation of routine actions (karma)
Attachment and non attachment doe apply to these people as well. They, however, have decided to pursue a different life style. They spend their time in search of the divine. Buddha is the greatest example; he left a kingdom in pursuit of an ascetic life. He did not return to that life ever again.
Krishna on the other had lives like a karma yogi all his life........and that is what he prefers.....
Attraction, Repulsion and Non-attachment
Patanjali Yoga Sutra “Attraction, and through it, attachment, is towards anything that brings pleasure. Repulsion is from anything that causes Pain”
Attraction causes attachment. Repulsion causes detachment. Our world generally revolves around different degrees of attraction and repulsion. It is similar to talking about hot and cold. They sound opposite but are just different scales of temperature. When we say hot we generally do not mean boiling hot and when we say cold we do not necessarily mean freezing point. Our world revolves around different degrees of temperatures and similarly it revolves around different degrees of attachments and detachments.
Hot is not bad or good. Attachment also is not necessarily good or bad. Similarly detachment also is not necessarily good or bad. Detachment from this world does not make any one holier than thou either. Krishna uses a word, “Kama.” Energy of kama operates in both attraction and repulsion (see Gita verses below). Kama is the root for words like kamadeva (god of Kama) and Kama sutra (the famous book about sexual energy). Kamadeva uses bow and arrow as well, but his arrows have flower at the end. There is no surface injury but there may be deep repercussions from that arrow.
We know of common attractions and feel happy about being attracted to some one dear. We get married because we are attracted to our spouses. We get children out of love and we love our children out of attractions too. The big question is if we are in attraction to any one of these relations all the time, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and 365 days a year. Do we some times feel repulsed? Do we think of divorce and do we sometimes go through the process of divorce. Life for most of us swings between attraction and repulsion.
Who knows better about attraction and repulsion more than the moviemakers or politicians? President Obama can not do anything wrong if you are a democrat. You must have watched the movie, “Superman.” The character is created to attract you. Superman is a super hero.
I once was talking with a politician friend in India. He mentioned that once you taste the powers of politics, you would like to work for any one else. I had an opportunity to travel with him once and I could see why. The roads were cleared. There were no red lights or speed limits and there were escort cars in front and in the back. There is no body to question them but they can question anybody and everybody. Does it explain why they hold on to their powers?
Patanjali Yoga Sutra- “By being nonattached to even these powers, The seed of bondage is destroyed. Then follows kaivalya, liberation.”
Yet, there are other attractions that supersede these ordinary attractions. Spiritual powers produce the ultimate attractions and attachments. They are the hardest ones to give up. We do not even know about them because we hardly come across any of them powers. Swami Ramakrishna had one such dilemma. He could visualize mother Kali in his meditation (dhyana). He was able to converse with her at will. We cannot even imagine how he could get to this level. But, he wanted to go beyond to nirakar Samadhi (the ultimate abode). He had to take help of his Guru Totapuri. The story goes that his Guru advised Swami Ramakrishna to divide mother kali in two pieces.
Ramakrishna was a smart person. He finally gets the sword but is unable to use it on mother Kali. How can he kill mother Kali who he has been worshipping and communicating with all these years. There was attraction; there was attachment. Totapuri offered to cut his forehead with a glass and he did and at that very time Ramakrishna used the sword on Ma Kali. She was gone and Ramakrishna was in his final abode.
There are similar stories of attractions posed by Mara before Buddha got enlightened. The path of spirituality is full of attractions. Many get stuck at various levels where they are happy showing minor miracles. Their progress gets impeded and they may have to start fresh from that point at a later date.
So, what is non-attachement:
Not attachment happens out of realization. It is knowledge and awareness happening together. It is not something that can be practiced. It is not a choice; in fact such a person lives in choice-lessness. He simply knows what he has to do and where he has to go. It is as if a new vision has happened; as if a new set of glasses or contact lens has been worn. I am myopic and I know the difference without glasses and with glasses.
Let us try to understand with a simple example. You are walking along. Let us presume you can see. There is a tree in front of you and there is a wall on the left. There is a path that swerves around the tree on the right. You have to keep going. It is obvious that you will not try to go through the wall or the tree. You will take the path on the right because you can see the tree and the wall clearly.
It is simple to understand this example of a tree. Attraction and repulsion or let us say attachment and detachment is a different story. It is a moving target. The level and quality of attraction changes on a spiritual path as described above. Yet, if the reality of non-attachment is understood, the path becomes as clear as the example of the tree. He can see attachment and he can see non-attachment. He does not react; he responds.
Attachment and detachment both produce expectations. I am planning to visit my son. Every time he comes home I go and pick him up. He should come and pick me up is my expectation. I am disappointed if he does not show up. He can see the disappointment in my eyes and gets upset. He expects me to understand why he could not come. I do not understand because he could have done x y or z to make it happen. I could be nice and try to understand his situation. I could be detached and not care if he comes or not. If I am non-attached, I am happy if he comes and happy if he does not. I can see the attachment, I can see the expectations, I can see the frustrations and most important of all I can see the vicious cycle that will start by disappointments and frustrations.
A non-attached person still walks, still enjoys the scenery and still picks up the fruits on the path. He simply knows the ultimate truth of non-attached existence. Attachment and detachment are construct of our minds; they do not really exist. They start with our births and end with our deaths and once the truth is really known, they do not exist even during those times. Life goes on without attachment. Nothing changes on the outside, yet everything changes inside.
3:36 to 3:42
Hey Krishna: what then
Of the three basic attributes (gunas)
As the fire is enveloped by smoke,
Fire burns and burns
Similar is the nature of
This basic source of greed, desire and anger
Osho - IT is very difficult to be nonattached in the world, but it is even more difficult to be nonattached when the spiritual world opens its doors. The difficulty of the second is a million fold because the worldly powers are not real powers. They are impotent; and they never satisfy you, they never make you contented. In fact every new achievement in the world creates more desires. Rather than satisfying you it sends your mind into new trips, so whatsoever power you attain in the world, you use it only to create new desires.
Whatsoever money you can gather in the world, you invest it to gain more money. Then the more money comes; you invest it for still more money; and this way it goes on. Only means and means and means, and never does the end come closer. So even a stupid person becomes aware sooner or later that he is moving in a vicious circle and there seems to be no way out of it -- except to drop out. For an intelligent person -- one who thinks about his life, meditates about it -- it is very obvious.
So nonattachment is not so difficult in the worldly things, but when it comes to the inner powers, the psychic powers, they are so close to your being and so infinitely satisfying, it is almost impossible to be nonattached to them. But if you are not nonattached, then you have again created a world and you will remain far, far away from the ultimate liberation……….
Osho – These are your two ways of being here in the world: you are attracted towards something which you feel causes pleasure, you feel repelled, repulsed by something which you think causes pain. But if you become more and more alert, you will have a total mutation. You will be able to see that whatsoever causes pleasure also causes pain — pleasure in the beginning, pain in the end. Whatsoever causes pain also causes pleasure — pain in the beginning, pleasure in the end. These are the two ways in the world……….
December 11, 2011
Today is Osho’s Birth Day:
Never Born -- Never Died -- Only visited this planet Earth between December 11, 1931 and January 19, 1990. With these literally immortal words, Osho both dictates his epitaph and dispenses with his biography. Having previously removed his name from everything, he finally agrees to accept "Osho," explaining that it is derived from William James' "oceanic." "It is not my name," he says, "it is a healing sound."
I first met Osho, then Bhagwan Rajneesh in 1971 in Mt. Abu meditation camp. I had attended his talk before when he first came to Patna as Prof. Rajneesh. Now he is just Osho for me.
I took sanyas in 1971 and during sanyas he hesitated a moment before he put the mala in my neck and gave me a name, Swami Krishna Mohan Bharati. Many years later I found out that he hesitated because he saw a hesitation in my eyes and not because he wondered if I am a suitable for his sanyas.
I always remember two of my encounters with him:
Osho Quotes on Attachment
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